Editor Findings
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Half TrueAfter much research and discussion, we found this statement to be Half True. This was a challenging quotation to fact-check, as it's about a hot-button issue surrounded by emotional rhetoric from all sides of the U.S. political spectrum.
Some reliable links described the negative consequences of privatizing social security. (Apparently, many Republicans do not agree that it should be privatized, even though President Bush originally proposed doing so during his second term.) An extensive report from the Century Foundation, a nonpartisan think-tank, provides twelve compelling, well-sourced reasons which seem to support President Obama's claim that privatizing social security is "ill-conceived." Since the phrase "ill-conceived idea" is an opinion, not a statement of fact, we did not include this in determining the verdict, even though much factual evidence we found suggests this is likely to be true.
While the President's weekly address and an official White House press release made this claim on August 14, 2010, they included few facts to support it. But we found a number of sources that supported the part of the quote which states that privitizing Social Security "would add trillions of dollars to our budget deficit" -- such as this analysis from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, which clearly explains "that borrowing $2 trillion to fund individual account does nothing to reduce Social Security's long-term deficit." An About.com post on Bush efforts to privatize social security mentions that "the government would have to borrow up to $2 trillion" and an article in Slate describes these "trillions" as a "transaction cost...money that would have to be borrowed in the market to cover the lost cash flow into the Social Security system," yet both writers don't source their statistic. It's an interesting example of how in online news, statistics can be oft cited but easily get disconnected from their point of origin.
The part of the quotation we rated as false centered around "tying your benefits to the whims of Wall Street traders." A thorough analysis by FactCheck.org found that "Obama's remark ... is an exaggeration, to say the least," basing their conclusion on details in Bush's February 2005 plan. In addition, a couple of sources (NewsBusters and National Review Online) reason that social security is currently a bigger risk than the stock market because it is already trillions in debt and could run out soon, leaving future generations without this safety net.
Other sources (including the Christian Science Monitor and U.S. News and World Report) took more objective stances in reporting on President Obama's weekly address. Social Security celebrated its 75th birthday on August 14th, and mid-term elections are just around the corner. Democrats want to be viewed as social security's protectors, and Republicans want everyone to forget that former President Bush proposed this risky plan. This is a political issue in an election year, with the control of Congress possibly at stake. Both parties seem to be using fear to sway voters around this polarizing issue.
-- By Kristin Gorski, on behalf of NewsTrust Editors
Community Findings
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Derek Hawkins
Not SureAn ill-conceived idea? I certainly think so, and a lot of economists seem to agree with me and Obama. A plan that will add trillions of dollars to our deficit? He doesn't say over how long, but a number of sources I trust indicate privatization would cause the deficit to balloon, and I don't see a single convincing argument that it would decrease the deficit. Would it tie our benefits to the whims of Wall Street traders and the ups and downs of the stock market? The first part is a ridiculous distortion, as the FactCheck article makes clear. The second part, however, is dead on: you would have the option of investing your social security money in a private fund, presumably in hopes to make money off an "up" in the stock market. -
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Joey Baker
FalseI think the statement is true until Obama ties it to the "ups and downs of the stock market." That statement is at best an exaggeration, because a privatized plan doesn't necessarily have to rely on the whims of the stock market – I don't think. -
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Kristin Gorski
Not SureThe statement is too general and needs much more detail in order for me to rate it as true. -
Mike LaBonte
TrueAlmost everything I have read agrees that market fluctuations are a risk and there would be a trillion dollar cost to set up privatization. These are actually simple concepts, so the President was not really going out on a limb at all. -
Julia Willebrand
TrueDoug Henwood's definitive economic review of the stats re social Security demolish the nonsense that Social Security needs to be saved. It is financially sound now and will be for the the next 30 or 40 decades very well w/o privatizing. http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/SocialSecurityRevisited.html -
Sherwin Steffin
TrueHaing watched those who have lost much, if not all of their retirement savings in the wild swings of the market, it ought to be pretty evident that privatizing Social Security would be a terrible idea. -
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Warrior Wheatman
TrueSS: Individual Retirement Accounts might mean riches for money managers with excess cash on hand, but as the Wall Street collapse has shown, the average worker can only rely on his trust in the promises of his government. It will be there when he retires. Before the deregulation of the banking industry, the financial markets really weren’t accessible to him. IRA’s allowed him to reach beyond his work-life expectations; but only the latter he could count on. SS accounts keep up with inflation by letting the Treasury stimulate the economy by underwriting the cost of government and lending to banks. If SS were to be separated from the Treasury, it would be vulnerable to the short term whims of the market or government budget. As is, the strength of the budget includes the SS assets already accounted for. People aging beyond the actuaries, presents a fixable problem – it is not the doom that Wall Street salivates for. In fact, if I may make an uneducated prediction: We will soon have a Guaranteed Minimum Income, which will include healthcare and education for all Americans. -
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Preston Watts
FalseAs the "facts" of both pro and con show there are thousands of variables that could affect the amount it would add or subtract from our budget deficit. Add to that the lack of an "expert" that has been even marginally accurate in forecasting trends in the economy even the short term. Relying on any of their forecasts projected into infinity becomes somewhat problematic for me. -
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Jeff Harris
TrueWould you trust our retirement to the same folks that brought us the great recession or for that matter the great depression???? The Guys we had to bail out last year???? The people who are proposing this must be drinking some thing besides tea! -
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Scott Edward Steiner
TrueGetting a privatization system started is too costly. The transition costs of setting up new personal accounts while continuing to provide benefits to Social Security's current beneficiaries would require an extra $1 trillion to $2 trillion. Aaron Bernstein, "Social Security: Are Private Accounts a Good Idea?," BusinessWeek.com, Jan. 24, 2005 http://socialsecurity.procon.org/ -
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David Ziegenhagen
TrueNot only will it do the things the President mentioned, it will put Social Security into an even riskier situation than the one in which they find themselves. Which is to say, it will risk and probably reduce Social Security benefits. Power to the people...and to the President. -
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JoshC
TrueOf course, the devil is in the details. However, the point of Social Security is to guarantee a minimal level of financial support to those whose income earning years is ending. That's NOT what the stock market does (certainly in practice). I am VERY angry at the ability for any pension (SS or private) to re-characterize its assets for other uses for political or personal gain (eg: executive benefits). Games like this have completely discredit government trust. And now you want for-profit corporations to be in charge of your future?!? What kind of idiocy is that? -
Roger Morris
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Todd A. Cass
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